June 03, 2004
Stay on target!
House Lady came over last night with the counter offer and we put together a counter-counter offer. The whole thing so far has sort of been like this:
Us: We'll give you 3 grand more than you're asking for but we want about 13 grand (for a relative lowball figure of about 10 grand) in concessions, kickbacks, closing costs, etceteras. We want your refrigerator, washer, dryer, trampoline and pets too. You can keep your kids.
Them: That's mighty white of you. How about "No"? Let's clarify a thing or two, here's a better way to fix this and that and altogether this gets your lowball to around 4 grand. We're keeping the trampoline and the pets. The kids are negotiable.
Us: Those changes are mostly acceptable only your legalese on this one is a bit off so we're correcting it and we'll go ahead and specify a couple of things that were generalized before. The lowball is about 5 grand and that's really where we need to stay. We really don't want your kids.
Hopefully we'll have a binding contract this evening. Your finger crossings are working wonders!
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Yay finger crossing goodness - I'm gonna be arthritic for life but if it gets you the house...
Posted by: Rob at June 03, 2004 10:33 AM (kXZI6)
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Making typing difficult...
Posted by: Jennifer at June 03, 2004 11:51 AM (DdBLw)
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Arthritis and typos are a price I am willing to pay.
Stay on target...
Posted by: Jim at June 03, 2004 11:56 AM (IOwam)
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June 02, 2004
No deal, yet
The sellers didn't accept our offer. A couple of the things we want were based on the wrong info so it's not too surprising. See, we didn't have a copy of their Seller's Disclosure (this is the form where they say how old everything is and what is included in the house purchase) when we made our offer. House Lady had an unofficial one that Mister Seller had whipped up really quickly but there were errors on it. The biggest error was for the HVAC system. The unofficial Seller's Disclosure said that the HVAC was 17 years old and the water heater was 7. Part of our offer included a replacement HVAC. Turns out the HVAC is 7 and the water heater is 17. No need for a new HVAC.
So, we're now waiting for their counter-offer with the HVAC replacement part removed, hopefully a water heater replacement added, and assorted other niggling changes. Hopefully we'll get it today and hopefully it'll come complete with a genuine Seller's Disclosure. Then we'll put together a counter-counter offer!
Have I told y'all about House Lady yet? No, I don't think I have. She's...motivated. She talks too fast, too. Like somebody from Maryland. On crack. We've been in Georgia for over three years - we can't listen that fast any more. But like I said, she's motivated. That first evening that she came over for house surfing said a lot. She went through the realtor listings with us. The actual realtor listings with all of the super secret house information that lowly buyers aren't supposed to have access to. She also left with her Realty/Company accoung logged in. Not that it mattered since she didn't really hide her password (slightly easier to remember than '1-2-3-4').
We've spent a bit of time cruising around the Realty/Company database, by the way. We can't help it. I'm naturally curious and Lovely Wife is female. No way we could leave that alone. I'll just say that they could definitely use some new programmers, at least one of whom understands the concepts of crafting a user interface.
So to summarize, waiting on a counter offer, probably will lead to a corrected offer. Still working the same (very cool) house. Continue to cross fingers, please.
UPDATE
Just found out that they're supposed to be getting together with their agent this evening to craft the counterproposal. They're not happy with our earnest money. For those of you who haven't purchased a house before, earnest money is sort of like a deposit. It's the money you'll be out if you change your mind at the last minute and stick it to the seller. We don't have a whole lot of earnest money - we're credit rich and cash poor as they say. Apparently the buyers are concerned that we might not be serious about buying the house because we've put in about as much earnest money as a speculator might.
I'm getting the feeling that brokers and agents just get in the way and that if we could sit down with those folks face to face we'd have this whole thing wrapped up in a half hour or so.
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Fingers crossed for ya. Good luck!
Posted by: Tiffani at June 02, 2004 09:57 AM (xpNFK)
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I don't like real estate agents. They rank up there with used car salesmen and high school band directors in my book. (Bad experience, heh.)
But, anywho--as long as you know as much or more than the agent about the house, you can't make a mistake.
I'll keep my fingers crossed, too. I know it's stressful as hell.
Posted by: Tiffany at June 02, 2004 10:57 AM (YGb9H)
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Am so crossing my fingers for you, too. Am also ready to go on the M&M strike if you need it.
Posted by: Helen at June 02, 2004 12:53 PM (TmM0X)
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Earnest money is usually 1%. Our seller wanted 2%. I think he just wanted extra assurance that we were in on the deal. Whatever. Anyway, 2% was a little less than closing costs anyway so basically our money is already on the table. And, as our lawyer pointed out, the earnest money is held by YOUR lawyer. If the deal falls through, your lawyer can simply give you your earnest money back. The seller could file suit, but they'll have a hard time claiming any actual damages as they will likely sell their house to someone else anyway. So basically, earnest mony is a crock of crap.
counter the Counter offer asking for seller assistance...
Posted by: Clancy at June 02, 2004 01:08 PM (EGVPL)
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Forgot this:
I'm getting the feeling that brokers and agents just get in the way and that if we could sit down with those folks face to face we'd have this whole thing wrapped up in a half hour or so.
I've never experienced it the "other" way so I probably can't say for sure, but there wasn't a broker or realtor with 100 feet of our deal. Just us and the seller. And it was pretty fricking easy.
Posted by: Clancy at June 02, 2004 01:16 PM (EGVPL)
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Tiffany and Tiffani - Thanks for the fingers. I appreciate them.
Helen - I hadn't thought of M&M mojo. We'd better save that in case of emergency though. The fingers seem to be working pretty well so far.
Clancy - That's pretty much what I got out of earnest money. It's a load of hooey. If I had some more dough lying around I wouldn't have a problem with putting more of it down right now. It has nothing to do with how serious I am about buying the house.
Posted by: Jim at June 02, 2004 01:30 PM (IOwam)
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We had that same problem with the earnest money. One seller actually asked their agent Are they
kidding?" when we offered them a certain amount.
They had the house on the market for six months and hadn't accepted a single offer and they had the nerve to ask that!
They finally sold it, I think. We drove by there a couple of weeks ago and saw that whoever lives there now has a washing machine and deepfreezer out in the car port.
...For once in my life, I can say that it was a good thing they rejected our offer (and our earnest money).
The neighborhood we ended up in is higher-end, and for about the same price we got a bigger house. I gripe about all the damn improvements we have to make, but I like this situation more in the end...
*hands you another two cents*
Posted by: Tiffany at June 02, 2004 01:45 PM (YGb9H)
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if we could sit down with those folks face to face we'd have this whole thing wrapped up in a half hour or so.
Probably. That's a complaint I've heard only from every person who's ever tried to buy a house. On the other hand, if you're the seller . . . .
Posted by: ilyka at June 02, 2004 06:15 PM (MENiG)
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June 01, 2004
My new hobby
It's quite intense and very expensive and it hopefully won't last very long.
Ryan was into it. So was
Clancy.
Michele almost had multiple strokes doing it. Yup, I'm talking about home buying.
On Friday we got our preapproved mortgage and the House Lady came over the very same night so we could surf for houses. We identified a short dozen that we liked and House Lady and Lovely Wife planned on looking at them the next day. In a couple hours. Can you say "stressful shopping"?
Fortunately we managed to eliminate half of them so the tour de houses was actually possible in the time frame allowed on Saturday. Four of the houses visited were eliminated. That left two. On Sunday the boys and I joined Lovely Wife and the House Lady to see those two and two others that sort of surfaced while we were out. Both of the ones that popped up were quickly eliminated. Both of the ones that Lovely Wife had pre-scoped for us were very cool.
They each had their advantages. The one was closer to Dopple-G (important for commuting). The other had a workshop (important for manly beer drinking while using power tools). The one had a fenced back yard (we've got two dogs and three kids) and a sun room. The other had a mostly fenced back yard and a den. The one had a nicely sized eat-in kitchen. The other had a bedroom right off of the kitchen. What's up with that? The one had a big two-car sized carport. The other still had that workshop, and a nice dry crawlspace under the house. The one had a magnificent magnolia tree. The other...um...hardwood floors! Yeah, that's it. The one had landscaping and was on a cul-de-sac. The other was right on a major road and had lots and lots of things to mow around.
We put in an offer on the one house. We'll hear back by 8 o'clock tonight.
Keep your fingers crossed.
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So no workshop for Jim?
Posted by: Susie at June 01, 2004 11:58 AM (PO+k7)
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Yeah - no workshop - what's up with that? I scored a 2 plus car garage and a shed in the backyard. Too bad I'll be so busy scrapping wallpaper, painting walls and refinishing floors to get to enjoy them for the first, oh, 52 years...
We never once spoke to a realtor (well, except the ones showing the open houses). We just weren't that far in the shopping process when we found our train-wreck. Closing is June 16th.
Posted by: Clancy at June 01, 2004 12:11 PM (EGVPL)
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No workshop to start with though the double size carport is attached and has power so it'll do in a pinch. At least enough for me to build a workshop. ;-)
Posted by: Jim at June 01, 2004 12:48 PM (IOwam)
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Dude, I am totally rooting for you.
Updates on your blog demanded.
A dream home is in your immediate reach! Mortgage? Escrow? PAH! Kids stuff!
Posted by: Helen at June 01, 2004 04:38 PM (uVIN2)
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Three Thoughts
I was watching "Humanimals: Wild Makeovers" on Discovery Health over the weekend. This is a show about extreme body modification. Things like facial tattoos, implants, split tongues and other such things. They profiled several people who've gone to various levels of body modification. Two were relatively minor - the reptile man has the tattoo of lizard scales all over his body (face and head included) plus a split tongue. The cat girl was similarly adorned with tiger stripe tattoos.
The other two were quite a bit more severe. Cat man had the tattoos as well as a surgically cleft lip (yeah, the thing that people pay money to fix in their kids so they can talk normally), sharpened teeth, whisker implants, cheek implants, 4 inch long finger nails and cat eye contacts. Enigma has the tattoo of a jigsaw puzzle over his entire body with blue tattooed over his face and hands. Oh, he has horns implanted too.
more...
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Jim -
I saw that too. Didn't one of the cat "people" live his life outside as a cat as well? Maybe a different show.
Dungeons and Dragons?
Oh my....I'm not going to say a single thing.
Posted by: Tiffani at June 01, 2004 01:22 PM (xpNFK)
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I saw Cat Man previously on the Taboo show. He lives in a trailer and worked in electronics assembly until his fingernails got too long. In that show they took film of him stalking through the woods with bow and arrow but it was obvious that he couldn't pull the bow because of the fingernails. He was also loud as hell.
He claims Indian heritage and a cat totem. Indian symbology has nothing to do with physical appearances so his body modification isn't anything related to being part Indian.
He's also got big man boobs.
All in all he's a pretty sad character.
Posted by: Jim at June 01, 2004 01:37 PM (IOwam)
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I saw that in Sweden about 4 months ago-the one that got me was the guy who was tattooed to look like a Jaguar, wears only a loincloth, fishes in the icy streams and eats raw fish, and is living in a tiny forest somewhere in BFE Scotland. I had two thoughts then:
1) Jaguars are a tropical animal, not an ideal candidate for Scotland.
2) It's so damn cold in Scotland, that I can only guess what the loincloth is needed for is to reveal a bare patch, where the previous apendage simply froze off.
I don't know if he's a freak or not, I guess it's all relative. I just think: fine, go your own way, but at least consult National Geographic as to the accuracy before you do it.
Martha Stewart has nothing on me.
Posted by: Helen at June 01, 2004 04:42 PM (uVIN2)
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If *that's* the best thing on TV -- you're bettah off blogging...
D&D? This is me not going there...
Posted by: Claire at June 01, 2004 04:46 PM (l1oyw)
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Oh, right! Jaguar Man. I forgot about him - that must have been the one that you were thinking of, Tiffani.
And yes, all of you. I said D&D. I'm not proud of being a Dominant & Desired player but I'm not afraid to bare my soul. I was young and I was experimenting...
Posted by: Jim at June 01, 2004 07:45 PM (saeHM)
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Hi, I don't really know what this website is about, but My boyfriend and I were doing a search on google for the "reptile man" and other such people who have had severe body modifications. The only thing we could find after an hour of searching was this thread. We were hoping that one of you might know of a website that has photos and info/bios on any of these known people. If you can help me out, fantastic, muchly appreciated.
Posted by: Gita at July 10, 2004 04:52 AM (Be1Tc)
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Gita, try
BME. There's some good source material, stories and links.
Posted by: Jim at July 10, 2004 07:35 AM (bmLWy)
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I am doing a report on body modification. If anyone knows of any sites besides BME were i could get info on humanimals, I would really appreciate it.
Posted by: janet at October 04, 2004 12:23 PM (1VyBj)
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this is real late in reference to what you were discussing but his "*huge* man boobs" resulted from a problems with a certain kind of cancer he has. hilarious.
Posted by: aj at December 04, 2004 04:30 PM (eun1B)
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hehehe.
You said "man boobs".
hehehe
Posted by: Jim at December 06, 2004 03:07 PM (tyQ8y)
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