February 22, 2005
MTV - where did the videos go?
It's almost an oxymoron. MTV - Music Television. Turn on MTV at almost any hour of the day and you'll see partying teens or a reality show. The few videos they still play are during request shows and it's the same 10 videos as last week, every week.
Over the weekend Lovely Wife and I watched an hour or so of "classic" music videos on VH1. These are videos from the 1980's for the most part. It was quite a trip through retro-ville, let me tell you.
And I now know why MTV started moving away from actually playing videos in the 1980's. It's because these videos suck with the terrible and inexorable strength of a black hole.
I'm just saying.
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February 21, 2005
Bad neighbors
Yesterday evening we got a visit from some new neighbors. It was not a pleasant experience. They just bought a house down the street and moved in a short while ago. They've got a fenced back yard where they keep two dogs.
Nine-eye, our much loved neighborhood dog, went visiting. Although he is very timid with people he is very social with other dogs. Being a large boy and an experienced fence jumper he has no difficulty getting into their back yard. Our new neighbors are not pleased with his actions.
Perhaps "not pleased" is a bit of an understatement. What they are is angry enough that they threatened to kill Nine-eye if he goes into their yard again.
Yes, the mister said flat out that if we didn't keep Nine-eye out of his yard he would kill the dog.
This upset me greatly, but wasn't what brought me within inches of my first adult fist fight. What pissed me off even more than his threat was his qualifier, which he kept mouthing as if it absolved him of any consequence of his actions.
"I don't mean to be hateful, but..."
"I don't want to sound hateful, but..."
"I'm not trying to be hateful, but..."
Finally I couldn't hear that any more. My blood was boiling and I was about to pop. I looked him straight in the eye and said "I cannot imagine anything more hateful than that". Proud of me? I sure am. What I really wanted to say included colorful expressions about his person and a goodly dose of vitriol.
As it was, my simple words calling him on the carpet difused what was becoming a very bad situation. After I said that he got quiet for a few moments and when he spoke again the belligerence was gone. I got him to agree to call us if he saw Nine-eye in his yard again. Hopefully if we scold Nine-eye it will be more effective than him chasing the dog out of his yard.
It will not be a permanent solution. Nine-eye is very canine social. He wants to be with other dogs. He will return there eventually. Although we were able to reason with these new neighbors I do not think they will remain reasonable for very long. A person who'll come up to your house and tell you he is going to kill your dog is not the kind of person who strikes me as being reasonable for any length of time.
So what can we do? The best long-term solution is to get him out of his dangerous environment. Lovely Wife has started looking for a permanent home for him. He's a wonderfully friendly dog, very gentle and easy to handle. Once he's comfortable with a person, that is. He is very timid with most folk but recognizes "dog people" pretty quickly. He is quite smart and very social. I think he would be an excellent house dog after some patient training. He would also do very well as a yard dog but the fences need to be jumper-proof and he would absolutely need other dogs around him.
If you're in the Atlanta Metro area and would like to own a wonderful animal, please let me know. Heck, if you're outside of the Atlanta Metro area but would like to own a wonderful animal this is the perfect excuse to come see the delights of the area and pick up a pet while you're here. If you know anybody who might be interested please point them to this entry.
Update: Lovely Wife took some new pictures of Nine-eye. They're at the post linked above. Damn, that's one handsome dog! Here's one of them. He's tied up so he won't go into that backyard. This makes him very sad.
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I think Nine-Eye smells that something is going on.I tied him up today and he was all mellow with it.He does cry a bit but takes it well at the moment.But I hate it...god damnit.....I hate chained up dogs,thats NO LIFE.
Also,he has gotten so much better with people.My neighbors to the left can pet him now and to the right,the folks who fix up the house,he walks right up for some love.
Gosh.why the fuck would someone want to kill this dog???
I bet I am going to have another sleepless night about this....I wish I could do SOMETHING.
Posted by: LW at February 21, 2005 12:16 PM (MDLz3)
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I want your dog.
Badly.
THat whole "6 months in quarantine" makes it impossible.
I do, however, want to beat the snot out of your neighbor. Killing dogs just 'cause? What a fucking sad waste of human refuse that guy is.
Posted by: Helen at February 21, 2005 01:22 PM (9jsh4)
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Not sure how but I'll pay for your plane ticket to come here and kick some ass!Trust me....when I am on edge I would do a thing like that..LOL
Posted by: LW at February 21, 2005 01:40 PM (MDLz3)
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People are such assholes, aren't they?
I have a very social dog, too, and some lady that bought the house next door said that he was "annoying" some of her workers fixing up the place with his barking. (Note: he was mostly barking at his favorite rock. Yes, you heard me: his favorite rock.) She came to our house threatening LEGAL ACTION if we didn't keep our dog inside (he only comes inside at night), or get him a bark collar (HELL NO!!!) Talk about getting off on the wrong foot with your neighbors! To make matters worse, we have some unsavory types down the street whose pit bulls keep getting loose. Now THERE'S one breed I absolutely don't trust...
Sorry to ramble, but I feel for your situation. I'd consider taking Nine-Eye, since I live just across town from you, but we can barely afford the dog we already have. I'll put the word out amongst people I know that Nine-Eye needs a new home. If all else fails, look around for animal rescue groups.
Posted by: diamond dave at February 21, 2005 05:03 PM (zxjPs)
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That reminds me of what the vet lady at Petco told me last weekend when I asked her about the microchip we had implanted in our little run-away Nicky.She said she had it done to her cat,whom she keeps outside during the day.One day she got a call from the shelter to come get her cat because the NEIGHBOR who hates cats had caught the cat,boxed it up and brought it for destruction to Animal Control.The law says,microchipped pets can NOT be destroyed.SO,I got my answer,yes,the chip works and yet another story about ASSHOLE neighbors!
We can barely afford our dogs either.....but I guess Walmarts cheap food (their version of Kibbles and Bits)and PETCO vets are a lifesaver,one just has to hope nothing BAD ever happends because then the only thing I can afford will be the 50 bucks to put them down.
:-(((((((((((((((((
Thank you for your help,btw!
Posted by: LW at February 21, 2005 06:26 PM (MDLz3)
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You might also consider looking into the legalities involved if someone kills your dog. That is, if you can prove Nine-Eye is truly yours. Be nice if you can end up owning your neighbor's home and telling them to pack their shit up and get the fuck out of your neighborhood. Probably would be more complicated than that, but just a thought.
Once again, I ask: why are people such assholes?
Posted by: diamond dave at February 21, 2005 10:29 PM (cHHMb)
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Ah hell... if the neighbor kills your dog, kill his back. Kill both of them.
You really need to be careful of someone like me... I have no dogs so if I kill your dog you can't retaliate in kind. Didn't think of that, did you?
Muhahahaha!
(Note: I'm only kidding. If you need this parenthetical note to realize that, you need more help than I can provide in an aside).
Posted by: Garret at February 22, 2005 07:31 AM (IOwam)
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do you have a home for nine-eyes? he looks like part collie. they are very social and caring of other animals.
we have a collie that has markings like nine-eye.
Posted by: cj at March 13, 2005 07:56 PM (QXWUV)
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No, not yet. We tried keeping him in the back yard but the only way we could get him to stay was by chaining him up and he got so depressed we had to stop. He seems to be staying away from the threatening neighbors for now. Hopefully he'll keep avoiding them until we can get him a safe home.
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February 18, 2005
Another moneymaker
We've got morning traffic reports. We've got web-based mapping services. Combine the two.
Introducing MyTraffic.com*! Pull up the site before you head out the door. It shows you the best route to work taking into consideration slow traffic flows, accidents, etc.
* This is not a real site. Yet.
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brilliant isn't it... they have this feature integrated into the navigational system of cars now... currently it's a subscription based service so that when you link up you are receiving a private feed... won't be long before it's open source!
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February 15, 2005
Thoughts on VD
Valentine's Day - you either love it or hate it. Or ignore it, I guess. Or, like the vast majority of humanity, have no idea whatsoever that it even exists.
Where was I? Oh, yeah - it seems that posts on Valentine's Day fall firmly into one of two camps. There are those who hate and despise it as a Hallmark Holiday full of false sentiment and overly public displays of affection. Then there are those who embrace it for its celebration of true sentiment and overly public displays of affection.
Once upon a time I was firmly in the anti-VD camp. That changed and I think I've pinned down just where the change happened. I started to enjoy Valentine's Day when it changed from a day of obligatory gift giving to an excuse for gift giving.
Let me splain. We have a single income with 3 kids. We make do with one car and not a whole lot of superfluous stuff because we are willing to sacrifice such things to bring up our kids the way we want. The downside is a relative dearth of expendable income (aka blow money). I don't have very many opportunities to spoil her like she so richly deserves. I welcome Valentine's Day as it gives me a well established excuse to do what I'd like to be doing every day.
So Happy Valentine's Day, y'all!
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I am firmly in the "I LOVE Valentine's Day" camp.
Even when I am single, I love Valentine's Day-there's nothing like a good reason for drinking an entire bottle of chardonnay and eating homemade macaroni and cheese like a single Valentine's Day.
Come to think of it, I do the same even when I am with someone...albeit, I swap the chardonnay for pink champagne.
Any excuse and all.
Posted by: Helen at February 15, 2005 09:19 AM (eyzrV)
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Does she get anything for you?
Posted by: pylorns at February 15, 2005 11:28 AM (FTYER)
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Are you kidding?VD is for the LADIES,dude!
Posted by: LW at February 15, 2005 11:40 AM (MDLz3)
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Three words, pylorns:
cho co lat
Oh, yeah!
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VD isn't just for ladies, it happens to both parties.
Posted by: pylorns at February 16, 2005 09:25 AM (FTYER)
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Thats not what the advertisement said....
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February 11, 2005
$100 Million idea
iPod Shuffle is neat but it isn't really random. Everything it plays is one of your songs. Your selection only gets bigger when you add new songs and you have no chance of hearing a new song.
The new Napster is also neat. For a fixed fee per month you can listen to anything you want out of a monstrously huge selection of songs. But in your MP3 player it's still the same old thing - you program what you want to hear and there's really no big help to find new things.
What we need is MyFM. Here are the requirements:
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It is a good idea. Especially the contract like cell phones.
Posted by: Paul at February 11, 2005 12:15 PM (vbP6L)
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I really like this idea.
Posted by: annette at February 11, 2005 12:40 PM (m/BC0)
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They are coming out with a portable XM ipod looking thing.
Posted by: Machelle at February 11, 2005 01:00 PM (ZAyoW)
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that is really a sweet idea man.
Posted by: davis at February 12, 2005 03:49 PM (mkbJL)
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Nice idea. Maybe this meshes with the satellite radio thing a little better. Or as an addition. The MP3 player can mix some of the music you own also.
It has taken a long time for the music moguls to 'get' the internet music idea.
I have probably purchased more downloadable music than I would 'hard' product, but not spent any more cash. That means the artist gets more of my money, I hope and I don't need the extraneous paper.
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February 07, 2005
The dance sensation that's sweeping the nation
Saturday morning I was working on the computer. Bear came over and we chatted while I did some mind-numbing report review. He started doing the pee dance. That's the move where he stands there grabbing his crotch and gyrating a bit. If you don't have kids you're probably most familiar with this move from its common occurrence in rap videos.
Me: Bear, do you need to go to the bathroom?
Bear: No.
Me: Then why are you doing the pee dance?
Bear: My penis keeps bothering me.
Me: Your penis is bothering you?
Bear: Yeah. The penis part keeps sticking to my sack of balls.
'Sack of balls' has now been permanently entered into the family vocabulary.
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"Everybody's doing a brand new dance now..."
Do I get points for knowing the title is from dancing in the streets?
Posted by: Paul at February 07, 2005 08:26 AM (vbP6L)
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I know exactly how he feels. I'm just impressed he had the vocabulary to describe it.
That was excellent!
Posted by: RP at February 07, 2005 08:47 AM (LlPKh)
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Stealth Points: "At The Hop"
50's tune - I have NO idea who did it, but I can hear it in my head!!!
"Let's Go to the Hop"
Posted by: Clancy at February 07, 2005 09:27 AM (JxYJc)
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Hmmm...Paul, you've quoted
The Locomotion to go with your guess of
Dancing in the Streets. I believe you're thinking of the lyric "This is an invitation across the nation". Good song. Wrong answer.
Clancy, it's from Danny and The Juniors and you are correct. 2 points!
Posted by: Jim at February 07, 2005 12:18 PM (tyQ8y)
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Dammit!
Nobody's as sore a loser as I am...
Posted by: Paul at February 07, 2005 12:49 PM (vbP6L)
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Hey, little kids are not the only ones doing pee dances.
If I have to go bad but am not near a bathroom the pee dance ensues until I reach afore mentioned destination.
Or if I'm busy doing something but don't want to stop at that second, the pee dance happens.
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Movies that change you
Some movies can actually change you. Change your attitudes, your thoughts, even your beliefs. Any story can do this if it has a portion that touches you in a special way. By 'touching in a special way' I don't mean the way that pedophiles do, I mean in a good way.
The movie Singles changed me in an actual measurable way. Ever since I heard of 'gesundheit' it had been my sneeze response of choice. I mean, what's cooler and more worldly for a little kid to say than a foreign word in popular use, especially when said little kid knew how to use it appropriately. And the word wasn't a cuss so he could say it anywhere without having wooden spoons broken across his backside.
Well, in the movie Singles there's a scene where Bridget Fonda's character (just broken up with her boyfriend) gives her 'shopping list' for a guy. It's long and very detailed. But then she says that she's lowered her standards quite a bit and doesn't use that list anymore. Now she'll be happy with a guy who says 'gesundheit' when she sneezes. Or 'bless you'. 'Bless you' would be better - she really likes that. Skip to the end of the movie where Bridget and her ex are in an elevator together. She sneezes, he says 'bless you'. She jumps his bones.
I'll still occasionally say 'gesundheit' because that was my ingrained sneeze response for so many years. But since I first saw that movie anytime I actually think before doing the sneeze response I say 'bless you'. When a 'gesundheit' slips out I'll have a mental dammit moment when I realize that I missed a 'bless you'. And when I do the 'bless you' I get a nice warm feeling.
Okay, it's a very small thing. But that movie was directly responsible for a change in my attitude and behavior. In a good way too, I think.
So has a movie ever changed you? Big or small, good or bad? I'm keen to know.
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I'm uncomfortable driving through toll boths since The Godfather.
Posted by: Paul at February 07, 2005 08:23 AM (vbP6L)
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Having seen Grosse Pointe Blank, i REALLY want to go back for my 10 year high school reunion.
:-D
Posted by: tommy at February 07, 2005 09:52 AM (VCRgB)
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Ok, everybody slowly back away from tommy... slowly now... hopefully he won't notice or remember us...
Posted by: Clancy at February 07, 2005 01:18 PM (JxYJc)
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You mean, besides a Joe Don Baker movie, right?
The Kids Are Alright turned me into a huuuge Who fan. Seriously--ever since I saw that movie, The Who have been the band against which all other bands are measured (and those "other bands" are frequently found wanting).
Posted by: Victor at February 07, 2005 02:16 PM (etHvD)
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Ok, time to get sappy.
About ten years ago, after watching Star Trek: Generations with my at-the-time girlfriend and her kids, I decided that I wanted to be part of their lives permanently. As of the present, I am.
Something having to do with Captain Picard wanting to make a difference, I guess. Anyway, it was a definite turning point in my life.
Posted by: diamond dave at February 07, 2005 05:05 PM (406FR)
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Harold and Maude.
Those who've seen it will know why. Those who have not -- WTF is wrong with you?!
Heh.
Posted by: Margi at February 08, 2005 02:32 AM (zalxZ)
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Great question.
Thin Red Line, American Beauty, Jerimiah Johnson, The Godfather, Swingers, Pulp Fiction, Say Anything ... there's more but I'll stop there.
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February 04, 2005
Word for the day: "Nephrology"
Sounds dirty doesn't it? Like something immoral you might do with corpses.
On the way in today we passed the Atlanta Nephrology Referral Center. Lovely Wife asked me what "nephrology" was. My response was an unexpected "Duh...I don't know". That bugged me. I spent years drinking and partying studying like a dog to learn medical terms and here I'd gone and forgotten one. One big and important enough to have a medical referral center dedicated to it.
It bothered me on and off all day long. Every time I tried to think of what nephrology was the Isles of Langerhans kept popping into my head. Those are in the pancreas and I knew “nephro” is definitely not the Latin for pancreas so I was at a dead end. Then I got a flash and I remembered a little memory trick I used for a biology test in OR Tech school. It was a drinking song little poem we memorized to help remember where the organs are located (in relation to each other) inside the abdomen. The part that was sticking in my head was something about “harvesting kidney beans under the Isles of Langerhans”. That bit was to remind you that the kidneys are below the pancreas. As soon as I remembered that bit I remembered that “nephro” is kidneys.
I rock!!*
So Nephrology is science of and relating to the kidneys. Do not confuse it with Necrophilia** or Necromongers***.
* Yes, I am fully aware that I could have looked it up online at any time and saved hours of fretting. That wouldn't have told me why my brain was misfiring between "nephro" and "Isles of Langerhans". Besides, figuring it out for yourself is way studly.****
** To which it is only cursorily related.
*** Space age bad guys who wear leather dresses (yes, the guys) and mullets in Vin Diesel movies.
**** Seriously, it really is way studly. I'm half tempted to give myself some points for this one.
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And I know I'll need this information someday!
Um, how did the rest of the song go? I want to impress people with my vast and odd store of knowledge!
Posted by: Rachel Ann at February 05, 2005 11:53 AM (BtBF1)
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I can't for the life of me remember the rest of the song. All I can tell you is there was quite a bit of risqué lyrics and at least one mention of explosive diarrhea.
Oh yeah, there was also a line about "purring". That's "partial esophogeal return", aka vomit.
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Oh well,
I'll just have to depend on the store of knowledge I alraedy have.........
are you sure you don't remember that song? ;-)
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Sweet dreams are made of this
I had the most awesome dream. You know
that fiction short story that
Paul and I wrote together? I dreamed that we were offered $20,000 for it with an option for 3 more.
Now I'm just trying to think of what to do with all that money.
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You bastard! In my dream you said they offered $15,000.
Posted by: Paul at February 04, 2005 07:28 AM (vbP6L)
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Come on now, what's $5,000 between friends?
Posted by: Jim at February 04, 2005 08:10 AM (MDLz3)
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Stealth points: The eurythmics!
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Ding ding ding!
2 points for Clancy
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Posted by: Victor at February 04, 2005 02:00 PM (L3qPK)
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Doh! My virgin ears!*
* It's true - I've never been screwed in my ears.
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February 03, 2005
Customer disservice
Via
Harvey I found a tale of
frightfully vicious customer service at Lee Ann's View. Lovely Wife recently ran into a customer service nightmare of her own.
We love dollar stores. I'm sure I mentioned it before but the whole family thinks that dollar stores are the cat's tits. Just walking into a retail establishment knowing that you can buy anything that strikes your fancy is a heady feeling for folks like us with limited discretionary income. It's great for the kids too - they know if they walk in with 4 dollars they can get 4 things. Any four things. (Mom and Dad pick up the tax, you see.)
So we make a stop at the dollar store once or twice a month plus anytime we need a gadget or small tool. Our dollar store of preference was the Dollar Tree right around the corner from our last apartment. It's big but not too big, has a fine selection of useless paraphernalia and a friendly staff. We went to that one even though there are bigger ones not much further and similar ones closer to our house.
The Dollar Tree doesn't take credit cards or check cards. We use check cards almost exclusively. It is a very rare occurrence for us to have any actual cash on hand. For the Dollar Tree we use actual paper checks as that is their only non-cash option. Because we use check cards for just about all purchases and pay most of our bills online we go through actual paper checks very, very slowly. We still had several books left when we moved to our new house. I printed out address labels and we affix these over the old address on the checks when we use them. Hey, I'm a cheap bastard. No way am I ordering new checks when I have perfectly legal ones left. What else would you expect from somebody who shops at the Dollar Tree?
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Here is the place to contact the Nazi's home office:
http://www.dollartree.com/site/fr_comment.cfm
Posted by: Nanc' at February 03, 2005 09:18 AM (KJQ9X)
Posted by: Jim at February 03, 2005 09:33 AM (tyQ8y)
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Thats the one I found,too the other day.Unfortunatly it doesn't do anything.I called the number and there is no customer service.They said complaints need to be directed at each store manager.Well...duuuuuuhhhhhhh the MANAGER was the problem!!Idiots....
All because they are franchise......the number is only for if you decide to wanne run a Dollar Store.
Posted by: LW at February 03, 2005 10:48 AM (MDLz3)
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Damn, people like that drive me crazy. I had an assistant manager like that at me old hardware store. Not a good thing to have an awesome GM a shitty AM adn a green kid who doesn;t know any better. Luckily, she pissed off the GM enough that he handed her he travelling papers within a year, but Man. Folks like that can really ruin an otherwise great estabishment.
Especially for some place like Dollar Tree that has to work on volume to stay up. Petty wanker. Aye, well, Dollar General, there you go.
:-D
Posted by: tommy at February 03, 2005 10:48 AM (VCRgB)
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Jim, wanna drop me a private email and tell me which Dollar Tree it was? My wife shops there all the time and I'll be happy to join in a boycott of that particular store. Or go over there and give A**hole Manager a migraine...
PS: My correct address is jdferrell(at)earthlink(dot)net. I had to alter my email address listed on your board because it was getting harvested by spammers.
Posted by: diamond dave at February 03, 2005 04:37 PM (5qKGR)
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The store was in Lawrenceville, on Lawrenceville-Suwanee near the 120. (Emailed too)
Posted by: Jim at February 03, 2005 06:15 PM (MDLz3)
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Better yet, take Burger over there to drop a load in the middle of the aisle :-)
Posted by: diamond dave at February 03, 2005 09:13 PM (5qKGR)
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Hot damn! I haven't laughed that loud and long in ages. 3 points for diamond dave for making me bust a gut, plus the recall from previous post, plus making Lovely Wife laugh almost as hard as me.
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February 01, 2005
How to write for idiots, tip #1
I hate being treated like an idiot, especially when I'm reading a book for pleasure. Today's bitch is against a particularly heinous affront perpetrated all too often by today's authors.
Introduction of villain
The villain is introduced by description. He is anonymous and mysterious. One unusual aspect of the villain is mentioned, generally more than once since the retarded readers can't be expected to notice it the first time. He plans something diabolical that shows he is actively working against the hero.
Hero meets "Bob"
The hero encounters "Bob". Bob is either a friend, ally, antagonist or other person who's on the same side as the hero. They might be friendly or they might hate each other. The key points are that they should be working together and that Bob has the villain's unusual aspect.
The writer thinks we're duped
Of course the writer now knows that he has tricked us into figuring out that Bob is the villain. He plays this up throughout the book but Bob is always known as Bob and the villain is always described by his unusual aspect.
The hero comes to suspect Bob
And the writer thinks we're all "shouting at the screen". No, hero! Don't trust Bob! He's the villain!
"Bob" has the hero in his clutches
Eventually the villain captures the hero and prepares to do something villainous to him. The hero is helpless and has no chance of rescue.
Bob saves the day
The real Bob arrives and saves the hero. Generally he also dies, leaving the hero (and supposedly the reader) anguished over his callousness in ever suspecting that Bob was the villain.
There are many variations on this little hammer blow of inept writing. Maybe the hero never suspects Bob at all, maybe it isn't Bob that saves the hero during the 'reveal', perhaps Bob really is a bad guy (just not the villain). What they all have in common is a pulling-the-reader-by-the-nose-ring condescension from the writer.
A good writer uses details to tell his story, not trite little tricks.
Rick Cook is dead to me.
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Heh - I think I recognise Dan Brown in there...
Posted by: dafyd at February 01, 2005 02:12 PM (ZZQbd)
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Oh, yes. Dan Brown does this several times a book. Well, he did it several times in the one book of his that I read. I'll never read another thing he writes.
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